[jira] [Created] (LOG4J2-778) logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author

[SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)]

SIBISH BASHEER created LOG4J2-778:
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Summary: logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER


Hi log4j2 Team,

If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately they have shot down log4j2 with a weird reason that log4j author recommended logback than log4j2.

Do you have any idea where such a strong opinion is coming from? And what response i should be giving. Also who exactly is the key author of log4j and logback? Is he the same?

Thanks
Sibish



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[SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)]

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SIBISH BASHEER updated LOG4J2-778:
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Hi log4j2 Team,

If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.

Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?

Thanks
Sibish

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Hi log4j2 Team,

If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately they have shot down log4j2 with a weird reason that log4j author recommended logback than log4j2.

Do you have any idea where such a strong opinion is coming from? And what response i should be giving. Also who exactly is the key author of log4j and logback? Is he the same?

Thanks
Sibish

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logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[Matt Sicker (JIRA)]

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Matt Sicker commented on LOG4J2-778:
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I think performance is a rather good feature to show off. There are some [manual pages|http://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/performance.html] about it. You can also check out the source and build the {{log4j-perf}} module which contains several microbenchmarks including some comparisons between Log4j 2, Logback, and Log4j 1.

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[Gary Gregory (JIRA)]

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Gary Gregory commented on LOG4J2-778:
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"log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2."

You have to ask yourself what motivates such comments. If you were a log4j1 author (but not log4j2) and also created logback and owned a company selling logback support/services, which project would you recommend?

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[Ralph Goers (JIRA)]

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Ralph Goers commented on LOG4J2-778:
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Ceki was the primary author of Log4j1. As Gary stated he is also the primary author of Logback. Logback is definitely improved over Log4j 1 and I would have no hesitation in using it in certain cases. That said, Log4j 2 was developed primarily because of what were seen as deficiencies in Logback that were not going to be addressed. In the end I think you will find that Logback might be a better choice some of the time while Log4j 2 is better under other circumstances.

I think we would all be interested in the details as to why Ceki believes Logback is better. The only circumstance where I would bet that Logback is a better choice would be on 32 bit Windows in client mode.

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)]

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SIBISH BASHEER commented on LOG4J2-778:
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Thanks Ralph, Gary and Matt. Your answers do make sense. I'll try to post this question to Ceki as well as try to get an explanation.

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[Mikael Ståldal (JIRA)]

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Mikael Ståldal commented on LOG4J2-778:
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Were these recommendations from Ceki made recently, after the final release of Log4j 2.0?

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[Remko Popma (JIRA)]

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Remko Popma resolved LOG4J2-778.
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Resolution: Not a Problem

Closing this as Not A Problem.
Please feel free to re-open or ask on the log4j-user mailing list if you need us to follow up on something.

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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[SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)]

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SIBISH BASHEER closed LOG4J2-778.
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Thanks. Architects agreed that log4j2 is fine after providing the justifications on this chain.

Post by SIBISH BASHEER (JIRA)
logback better than log4j2 as per log4j author
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Key: LOG4J2-778
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-778
Project: Log4j 2
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: SIBISH BASHEER
Labels: log4j, logback
Hi log4j2 Team,
If you remember, i had developed a custom logger for splunk based on log4j2 with the log4j2 team's help and had presented to my architects. Unfortunately the decision from the architects was not to use log4j2 because of the reason that log4j main author recommends logback not log4j2.
Have you heard of any such statements and if there is any scenario where logback is better than log4j2?
Thanks
Sibish

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